Klay to Mavericks, Bronny's Summer Struggles, & NBA Playoff Predictions | Pick'em Pros 🎙🏀

0:01 all right. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. You know who it is, I am derrick thompson and I'm diego thompson who are we? We're the pick'em pros we are the pick'em pros coming back at you in the house with episode 101 of who you got father son dynamic duo, where we are man wrapping up nba. We had our champion a few weeks back, free agencies wrapping up and we just got one final show to dive into NBA before we move over to football. But how you doing, man? Doing good. Man. Just know how the seeing is going to go, and I'm going to tell everyone how they're going to go, man.

0:42 You're going to tell us, nine months ahead of time, exactly where every NBA team is going to finish at the end of the 24-25 season. You're going to do that. Yep, yep, I'm going to do the exact, exact order, all right. And the exact order. All right, we're going to see. I'm excited to hear what you've got. You're going to share that. We've got a fire show what up? Silas, thanks for joining us. My man, silas, is the only person that has this hoodie as well. So some new swag that we got out here. But, yeah, we got a fire show for you. We're going to talk about Ronnie James. Oh yeah, his debut in the summer league, the four-point outing that he just had.

1:25 We're going to dive into that. Uh, very similar to, uh, how college and everything was. We're going to dive into that. We're going to dive into the golden state warriors what's up? Brandon and silas. So, hey, we got the warriors, people, we got to talk about the warriors. Was that a? Has it been a good off season? Has it been a terrible off season somewhere in between? Been a terrible offseason Somewhere in between? We've got to go into that. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about Clay and the Dallas Mavs. Is Clay the difference? Is he the reason why the Mavs? Are they going to win the championship? Now We've got my dad, your grandpa, the professor, mr Luke Thompson, is going to join us for that segment and school us on the Dallas Mavericks and Clay Thompson.

2:09 They were going to go into you, diego, giving us your seeds, one through 10 for the east and the west, and then we're going to finish up. We've got a really cool segment to finish up as we are about to get into the trading card game. Here are about to get into the trading card game. Here We've got Mr Rob Martin who is going to school us a little bit on the trading cards and the mystery cards and all that. We're going to talk about that as we wrap up. So we've got a fire show. Big shout out to Zaxby's of Clayton, north Carolina, one of our sponsors. We appreciate you and we're going to get on into this man. You ready to do it? Yeah, I get on into this. Man you ready to do it? yeah, I'm ready, man, let's do it all right, all right, well, let's not, let's not waste any time. What's up shivan? What's up avi? Uh, the homies on, uh, ig, we see you there, all right, man.

2:51 So let's get on into it. Man, let's not waste any time. Let's get into brani james. The game just ended. Hey, man, give us your take on the uh, big debut against the um. Give us your take on the big debut against the Sacramento. I think it was in. Sacramento. Yeah, tell us about it, man. All right, I think it was a little underwhelming the four points, two rebounds, two assists and 22 minutes. It was inefficient. From the field. Two of nine. From the field. Two of nine from the field, oh, of three from three. Point. Um, I expected him to be a little off today. Anyway, I expected everybody to be a little off because it was their first time in an nba jersey, so an nba court.

3:38 So there was that. But uh, still, I think his performance wasn't, was below expectations. He had the layup and he had the nice jump shot, but that was about it. Everything else was not Exactly how it's been. If you've seen him play in high school and see him play in college, he plays somewhat tight defense. I think his defense has been a little overblown, um, by people. If you've actually seen him play, yeah, but he doesn't handle the ball, he doesn't bring the ball up the court, just kind of stands in the corner, gets the ball quickly, kicks it out and is just waiting and hoping that his defender leaves him so he can get a shot off.

4:22 Yeah, that's really it and that's not a creator. Yeah, yeah, the the entire time. So people kind of lost their mind during the combine when he made a few floaters, um, that was. You know, those were like that was every highlight. They talked about how athletic, athletic he was, but, um, yeah, it was more of the same. Nothing stood out. But what was interesting to me was as soon as I went to ESPN. If you go to ESPN dot com right now, there's a highlight of the layup and they're talking about the feel and if you didn't watch the game you would say, oh, ok, ok, opening game. Hey, he had flashes, he's athletic, he's going to be just fine.

5:05 So it's really interesting how it's being covered. Yeah, my bad. I went to ESPN. The first thing that came up with the video was like Bronny scores first points in summer league, bronny with a tough shot. Yeah, you realize, that was really it. Yeah, exactly Exactly. And you, you know, we really made sure that we watched so we could, you know, pick up on every single thing. So there's definitely a big media slant. You know, because we watched it and it was in the showcase, so it he's being covered like the player. I think we're all guilty of this.

5:46 You know how you go to, especially like if you're a golfer or if you're training, and you go out to the park or you go and play and you have a bunch of bad shots, but you've got a clip of that one good shot and of course, that's what you post. Yeah, everybody loses their mind. Hey, I used to do that with you. We go to the golf course when you were three and you swing a hundred times and you'd miss 99 of them, and you have one shot that looked good and I post that and everyone goes oh my gosh, diego's an amazing golfer, because all they saw was that one. Everyone goes. Oh my gosh Diego's an amazing golfer, because all they saw was that one shot.

6:28 You know what I mean. So it's pretty funny there. So, yeah, man, yeah, that's definitely how he's being covered. So I'm seeing in the comments so okay, derozan is meeting with the Kings. Okay, so yeah, that'll be a big thing. I'm just kind of following the comments. They're talking about uh DeRozan, cause he's the final, uh big frigate that hasn't gone anywhere yet. Yeah, yeah, it'll be. Uh, I think he'd be a good fit with the Lakers, but, um, yeah, it looks like there's been All right. Well, let's move to the Warriors. Man, because I really want to get into this and we've got a lot of Warriors diehard fans on the line here and that I see you in the background.

7:10 Looks like everything's settled. So we get to the next topic. We'll bring you on here, but for the Golden State Warriors. So, man, give me your take. Man, has it been a good offseason or a bad offseason? Clearly you lost clay, but, uh, just give, give me your, give me your take on this. And, of course, my warriors fans. Uh, chime in and let us know what you think I think it's been a good offseason. I don't think it's been a great offseason, but I think it's been good because we got rid of clay. That was the one thing I said we needed to do, because he was just wasn't the best fit for the team. He wasn't consistent. He was 0 for 10 in the elimination game. And. I just think he needed a change of scenery and you know, the off-the-bench stuff might have been messing with his head.

7:56 So a change of scenery would probably be good for him and I think him leaving at this point in his career is probably good for us. And we got Buddy Heal and Buddy Heal leaving at this point in his career is probably good for us, and we got buddy heel and, um, buddy heel. I think he's a good replacement because he's gonna be willing to come off the bench, he's gonna. He's. He's a better, better and more consistent three-point shooter than clay. He's reliable. You know he can get 15, 20 points uh shoot 50, uh shoot 40 from three. And yeah, I just think it was a better fit keeping well, of course, keeping Steph, but have the young core evolving in the next year. I think it's been pretty good, you know pretty good.

8:38 Okay, okay. So, man, to Diego Silas, brandon, all my Warriors fans, man, you know I got much love for you guys but, man, this has been a terrible offseason for the Golden State Warriors and I'm going to tell you why. Yes, buddy Hill, buddy is a good fit. Okay. And some of the other pieces are decent, but it makes them no better than if they had Clay. I think it does, if you look at our roster. we have 10 good players on our team that can play, but just stay with me, though.

9:21 What it does for you is it puts you in no man's land. What it does for you is it puts you in no man's land, right? I'd rather if it was going to be like this. I'd rather you just keep Clay and just be Unhappy, inconsistent 0 for 10. Elimination game Clay. Just be mediocre. Okay, finish playing maybe sixth, fifth and that'd be about it. Okay, and again, you got solid players, but nothing to move the needle. Okay, go, golden state warriors are going to be playing at best no, we're. They're better than playing. They're better than playing. You think they're better than? playing. Okay, yes, so chime in in the comments and tell us Because, again, the moves that they made were decent moves, but I think it just puts them in no man's land, to where they're just going to be stuck.

10:13 Oh, and they got Kyle Anderson. I forgot about that. Wow, kyle. Anderson Slow-mo, the guy that you couldn't stand when he was with Minnesota. He's a good fit. That takes 30 minutes to shoot a jump shot. Now you're happy that he's with your team. Is that what you're telling me? He's a good fit for the team. I like Kyle Anderson on our team. So now you like Kyle Anderson? Okay, yeah, he's my guy now. I don't care how long he takes to shoot his jump shot, it's okay. He doesn't need to shoot jump shots. He's a good basketball player so. But hilarious comment from my wife talking about my warriors has put you in no man's land. So that's that's the comment of the day.

10:54 For sure don't know if anybody can top that. Love you, baby. But but again they've made decent moves. But okay, tell me in the comments do the Warriors have any chance to be a top seed? Do they have any chance to win the championship? So it's not me hating, it's just. If they were, going to be. If they got DeRozan or if they got Paul George, I think they'd have a chance to win the championship. That's what I'm saying. So then I'm fine with that. If they were going to get a big time player, ok and have a chance, then yes. But if they were not going to do that, then just ride it out and just have tribute videos all the time and let's hold hands and let's just be happy of what we, what we accomplished.

11:43 But I feel like this middle ground is the worst thing that the warriors could do, and it's just going to set them up, uh, for just a lot of, a lot of disappointment is what I feel, yeah, as long as steph has the best chance to win possible, then I'm, I'm good and and again. I'm not hating, but how old is steph? now he's 36, but he's he's great, he's improved. Did you see the videos? Him training and the us team being on that team? That's gonna keep him ready for the play in the next year, next nba. You know all right, all right, all right you ready.

12:23 Hey, I hope, I hope for your sake, you know, I mean, I hope for my wife's sake, I hope yeah, I hope your chicago bulls get better too. Oh my god hey, chicago bull, that's a totally different, totally different scenario. Yeah, I go bulls. Chicago bulls are going down a very bad road. Uh, you actually have them rated higher than I do. You know what I? Mean, but yes, the east isn't isn't that deep I don't like. I wish they would have gone for the gusto. If again, if you're not gonna throw money at clay, then really get a big time guy and let's go for it. But these moves here, they just uh okay all right I think it's better than we're going to be, better than we were last year, which is which we were better than we were last year.

13:10 We have a chance. I don't. We got Paul George Then we don't think we win last year. I don't think you're better than last year. I like you. A lot of Warriors games. I know the guys on our roster. I know we got it. Yeah, yeah, all right, we're going to see Again. I hope for your sake, I hope for Silas' sake. I will happily be wrong on this. I will happily be wrong on this because I love the Warriors, but I just don't feel good about it. I love the comments, I just don't feel good about it. I love the comments, I just don't feel good about it. Man, and again, Silas, you are a little better, but it doesn't move the needle.

13:55 It does a little bit. Had Clay we were a team that relied on Clay and he shot 0 for 10 in the elimination game. Zero points, yeah. Yeah, I just don't see it Again. You're a little better. Maybe it gets you a notch, but I just don't see it being worth it. I don't see it being worth it Again. Steph's older. Draymond's crankier. Draymond's older. I said I didn't mean to get rid of Draymond Draymond's losing athleticism. Oh Draymond. Draymond's losing athleticism by the minute. Oh, draymond ain't going nowhere, draymond ain't going nowhere. Draymond, we got rid of Klay, so that's fine, we got rid of one of them. Draymond is the kid that graduated high school and is cool with that, and now he's sitting in your house eating up all your food and is not getting a job.

14:42 Draymond is just fine and he knows he's not going to get kicked out, so Draymond is fine. Yeah, he's just fine. Draymond is going nowhere. All right, man. Well, hey, thanks for the comments on this Good topic, but let's move on, man, we'll see what the Warriors do. Let's move on to the Mavs and Klay Thompson and see, speaking of Klay, is Klay going to be the difference for the Mavs taking the jump and winning the title? So let's see about that. Let's go ahead and bring on dad here. Mr Lou Thompson, now can you hear us? I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes, yes, yes, we can.

15:23 We have some technical difficulties in the sound check, but thankfully you were early and we were able to do sound check and we were able to get that fixed. So it looks like we're in good shape. Nice, ok, you ready for me? Yeah, yeah, so let us, let us tee it up for you. So we were having a spirited debate here on the Warriors. You know if they're better or worse, it seems like they're a little better. I'm in the minority because I think the little bit that they've gotten better really isn't going to make a difference. And you know, feel that. You know it's great for Klay to move on. So Klay has moved on. He's moved on to Dallas, big D, your town.

16:03 That's where you're coming from, representing Dallas. So we want to ask you, professor Thompson is Clay Thompson going to put you over the hump and give Dallas a title this year? Well, he's going to be a piece of a puzzle that's going to help us solve. A piece of the puzzle that's going to help us solve. I'm glad you brought that up, because this is the newspaper today and we have what we call creative thinking OK, new term, that is design thinking how the general manager is retooling the Dallas Mavericks without selling the team and the youthiness of the team.

16:46 That's kind of the theme that we have here. But we are glad to have Clay. We think that Clay can be valuable. His dad did not want him to come to Dallas. You know his dad won two NBA titles. You got a chance to meet his dad One time. I snuck you out the house, took you to a game. Okay, you met Bill Cartwright the same night. But his dad right now has peace of mind and he's going to go along with his program. He says Clay is 34 years old. I know you all said 36, but I read 34, so he's one or the other.

17:30 We were talking about Steph. We're talking about Steph Curry. Steph is 36. Okay. So his dad is going to live with his decision and wishes him the best. Everybody has to make their own decision. Looking at him coming to the Mavericks, I think he really wanted to go to the Lakers. He grew up a Laker fan, he was a fan of Kobe and whatnot, but you know we got Kyrie Irving and you know Kyrie did play with LeBron and we got a great coach here, and so I think having Jason Kidd as the coach and having Kyrie talk to Clay to actually come and be a part of the Dallas Mavericks Because he's just one part of the pieces that we are using to retool the Dallas Mavericks- OK, all right.

18:31 I like that. What's your? I've got several thoughts on this. One thing that I want comments just to kind of pick up on the Warriors real quick is Silas Brandon. All you guys Tell me what seed are the Warriors. Real quick is Silas Brandon, all you guys tell me what seed are the Warriors going to finish in? Because you're saying they're better. Give me a seed. Where are they going to finish? And they may get Laurie Markkinen. He was an all-star last year, who he was an all-star, laurie Markkinen. Who is he? I've never. Averaging 24-10 for Utah. For Utah yeah, 24 and 10 still okay. 24 and 10 okay, all right, all right.

19:11 Well, I want to know, what I want to know what seed they're gonna finish. But before we get to that and they're starting to come in the comments, diego, give us your take and we're gonna come back to that here. Give us your take on the Mavs and Klay. I think they're about still where they were. I think Klay is a good piece to the team, but the rest of the Western Conference has gotten better too. I still think the Nuggets are really good. I still think the Timberwolves got better. The Thunder got better. So I think the Mavericks are still there. They're still a big contender, but I don't think that it's like a big difference don't you? okay, you don't think it's a big difference, and diego's gonna give us his seeds for all the teams, so he's gonna do that in the next segment, so you'll see exactly where dallas fits, where, uh, the warriors fit, and all of that.

20:02 Um, yeah, the uh, and dad, I want you to then chime back in. But the West has gotten better. Yes, the West has gotten better, of course. I mean, minnesota had an amazing draft. Okc has picked up some great pieces that they desperately needed. So, yes, the West has gotten better. There's no question about that. The Lakers drafted Bronny James. So, yes, the West has gotten better. There's no question about that. The Lakers drafted Bronny James. So, yes, the West has gotten. Amazing for sure, okay. You have a 4.5 points in college, wow, okay. Yeah. But I think the big key to Dallas is Luka, and there's two things here.

20:49 So, yes, clay, there's no question Clay makes them better. Okay, the question is, does he make them better than the other teams? Because everyone else has gotten better, so they didn't have that outside threat. Hardaway Jr couldn't make anything in the playoffs, so Clay should be an asset to them. Yes, for sure. Uh. However, luca has got to be in shape. He's got to be in shape and he's got to be in shape the whole season. I think that's one thing, and the other key is kyrie irving. If they make it to the finals, odds are it's going to be boston, and he's got to get whatever boston demons out of his head, because everybody else kairi was a beast.

21:30 It was amazing, but against boston in boston. Now, he played very well that one game when they blew boston out at home, but in boston he was terrible and he's gonna have to get over whatever that is in order for them to beat them. So those are two keys for me. So, dad, we'll give it back to you, okay. Okay, well, I agree with you. Kyrie is going to have to play better. Yes, we do have Klay, but we did get Quinton Grimes, which is a defensive player. We did add another piece, not only K, to come in and help us. We did get rid of Tim Hardaway Jr and we did get another player to come in his spot from Detroit, which is Quentin.

22:19 James is the one that we got from Tim Hardaway in the trade. He was hurt last year but we're looking at him coming in and helping out. We also have Naj Marshall that came in this year. He's a defensive stopper. We lost Derek Jones, but we do have some pieces right now. Now we do have the twins, because we have Markeith Morris and they're looking at resigning him for the $2 million exception, but he has his brother and his brother can spread the floor. So they're looking at do we want to get a guard to spread the floor or do we want to get a fork? So we still are building the team.

23:01 It's not just with Cliff. Okay, creative slash strategically, okay, we're setting this up. So we're not done. We're not done. That was just the first week, but we still got some other things that we will take care of this and we haven't used all that money. That's why we are creative Mm-hmm. And I agree All the teams has improved, okay, and so you know it's going to be a fight for the battle. It's not just one going to be there.

23:42 I mean, the Nuggets are going to improve, okay, they're looking to improve themselves as well. I don't think the Lakers is going to do much or the Clippers are going to do much coming in, but the Timberwolves they got that good experience. They're going to be better. You talked about Luke again in the newspaper that I brought up, they talked about his health. They say he's 25 years old. He's got to be in better shape coming up. They are going to address that. He's playing in the Olympics right now trying to do that, but he's going to be on an improvement conditioning program so that he can be ready.

24:24 A long time ago I read a book when I lived in North Carolina by Magic Johnson, and Magic Johnson said that you know, when I play my first game of the season, I'm in mid-season shape. First game. They played what? 82 games. So he's already in shape as if he's played 41 games. That's the mentality, that's how you have to be physically ready to do that and that's what they got to work on, luca, because if you want to go to the finals, you play more than 82 games, so you got to have your body ready, to be ready and sustained.

25:07 So that's what I'm looking for. Okay, yeah, there's no question it's going to have to be's. No, no question is going to have to be, have to be in shape and they're going to have to have the right matchup. So I mean, we found this this year's playoffs was. It just showed that matchups are everything and styles make fights, and you know to see Minnesota dismantle Denver and then they couldn't do anything against Dallas. It just showed how the matchups were everything. So the draw and the way things fall will also have a big play to everything. But Dallas has done a great job managing their cap, because if they didn't make the moves that they made before the deadline, they probably wouldn't have even gotten out of the first round.

25:57 That's right, but they made some amazing moves at the end of the, at the end of the year, and that really helped them, and now they've had a really good offseason. So we'll see it's going to be. You know, can Clay? Does he have another act in him? Can he defend a little better? Uh, yeah, there's that. That's going to be very, very interesting and one last point I'd like to make. You know we had grant hill and grant hill went through a series of injuries with the magic he never could really get back to the way he was, okay as of being a premium player. But once he changed teams he may have went to Phoenix I can't remember right now but he became the old, great Grant Hill and that is what I'm kind of looking for with Clay.

26:43 You know, out of California come to Texas, you know, even though his daddy played in Texas. So he got a little Texas in him as well. But I think a change in scenery and all that will help him out. He's got another few more years because he tore an ACL one year and an MCL. Those are two devastating industries. I mean. Look at Derrick Rose Okay, he ain't playing no more. Okay, after ten of those same type of injuries, okay. And Claire's? coming back, so I think all that is going to go back. Ok, all right Now. We appreciate your insight, as always, so we can't wait. You know, this is kind of our last show for a while talking about NBA.

27:24 Of course, we might have a segment here and there as things break, but we're going to switch gears to football here starting next week, so yeah, I'll be excited. Yeah, but we definitely want to continue. So, fantasy you, you're going to be playing with us. Of course, okay, all right, okay. Suicide football too. Yeah yeah yeah, a lot of junk. Talking, oh, so hey, talking, oh so hey, brandon Silas, the crew, josh, our draft. So y'all may not know this, our draft is going to be live on Pick'em Pros. So it's going to be like we're going to broadcast the draft in real time as we're going. So you're going to have to pick and then you're going to be on the TV and everything.

28:08 So that's going to be fun. So it's going to add on the TV and everything. That's going to be fun. It's going to add a whole other dynamic to that. That's going to be a lot of fun. Count me in. Good Is Dak's ankle? Is he going to be all right, or do we need to run away from CeeDee Lamb? That's a good question. They say he's not wearing the boot today. I think he's probably not wearing the boot because he got a lot of attention to it, but they say it's pretty minor. Uh, let's say he's been uh working out looking pretty good uh. But the major thing now is the uh backup quarterback. Because you know they're looking at zach. Uh, they're gonna pay him uh 60 million okay, which is looking at the price there.

28:51 It may cost Jerry Jones to be able to do that. So you got to look at that as well, what type of season that he has. And he's got two backups, of course. You got Cooper Rush. You know he has come in, he's got six years of experience and he has played very good in that position. And then you got Trey, lance and Trey, you know every time he never really got a chance to prove himself, but they have him as well. So it's going to be interesting. So they're really looking at the backup just in case this ankle and this boot might be a problem, and we got to make sure we got a backup that we can go in and be able to do that.

29:37 Okay, all right. Okay, all right, we'll see your insight because some of the early rankings we're seeing CD at the top of a lot of lists, so yeah, but we're going to rank wide receivers next week, so we're going to give you our top at least 20, if not 30 receivers next week. Okay, all right, cool, cool, all right, dad. Well, we'll see you later on. Thanks again for joining us and giving us a little bit of time. Thank you very much. This was a surprise. I had to do my homework today. But, thank you, I appreciate it. You bet, you bet. Oh, you bet. Okay, all right, thank you, thank you, okay, all right, man, cool had to bring, had to bring pawpaw on here get his insight, uh, from from the city of dallas on what's going on there, but they're clearly very excited to have clay and uh congrats, looking forward to, uh, to big things this year.

30:31 All right, all right, so, man. So, diego, let's get into these seeds and I'm sure we're going to kind of continue our conversation on the Warriors, because again, like Brandon said, fifth or sixth seed as of right now, but again still making moves, I'm curious to see where you have the Warriors. We'll just kind of continue. But let's start with the East. Diego, I want you to give us your seeds for the NBA. Let's start with the East, number 10. Who's going to finish in the 10th seed in the East? All right, 10 to 1. Number 10. I got the Chicago Bulls finishing in at number 10. They're probably gonna lose to Rosen. They had a pretty good draft pick.

31:13 I think I got from G League night that people are losing their mind on, so I think it'll be enough for them to get into the play-in. And number nine I got the Hawks. I don't know where Trey Young was gonna happen with him they traded DeJounte Murray but they did get the number one overall pick. So I think they'll be enough. They'll be good enough to make the play into um. Number eight I got the indiana pacers. Um, they made the easy conference finals last year, but I think I just don't think they're that good. I think the matchups were worked in their favor last year. I think they're gonna slide to the a seed. And number seven I got miami heat. Uh, jimmy buckets him at a bio. I think they're gonna bounce back and um finishing playing a little higher this time.

31:56 And okay. So the heat at seven pacers, you have them sliding. Okay. So you think some of that was a fluke from? Last year and you got the heat at seven, uh, so still playing, though. So playing miami heat, you're still gonna have to play yeah, that's their tradition annual annual playing heat and annual playing heat okay number six. I'm going with the orlando magic um. I think they were the fifth seed last year but the east has gotten a little bit better and I think the six um for them in the sixth spot is good. Kcp, he's gonna provide some shooting for them, some good defense, a little more and some championship experience for a young team that was uh good last year and took the calves to seven game series in the first round last year.

32:46 So I have them at six. Number five I have the have the Cavs with Donovan Mitchell and them they. Yeah, they're pretty much the same as always, so I'm not really going to say anything about them, josh is Cleveland Cavs. All right, yeah. And number four I got the Milwaukee Bucks, giannis and Dame Doc. They're a bit of an older team so I think the regular season they won't take it seriously, so that's why I have them a little lower for. And number three I got the 76ers with their big additions, with Paul George, jerry McCain, the draft pick.

33:28 So I think they're going to have a good year, a good regular season. Got Jack C's 76ers. Oh, yeah, yeah, congrats for you guys. I don't really like them. Number two I'm going with the New York Knicks. They may not be the second most talented team in the East but, I, know the coach is going to have them playing hard every single game. Okay, and you know, with all of them they did improve the roster with Mikkel Bridges, so I think they're going to give it, give it their all and finish number two in the East. Perfect, perfect Number one of course. And just shout out to Rob we see you backstage, my man.

34:12 So we'll bring you on for the next segment, but we, we can see you. Okay, go ahead, diego. Number one I got this. Boston saltos, of course, reigning champs. There's the most talented team in the east and just the best team, so I'm gonna go with them at one got them at at one. So nicks, oh man, that's a little. I mean sixers, paul, george, a lot of people would have the sixers, at least number two but yeah, I think it's they're. They're not gonna stay healthy the whole season and say, it's just true, they're not okay, joe joellen beat and paul george that it just doesn't happen. So okay, and if you look at the playoffs last last few seasons they both of them have been injured in the playoffs, so I don't even know how deep they'll go in the playoffs fair, fair enough, okay, all right. All right, we'll take that.

34:52 Okay, so that's your 10 through Regular season is a young team game. So that's your 10 through one for the Eastern Conference. I really agree with you for the most part. The only one Nice, the only one I maybe don't would be the Bulls. Actually, if they lose to Rosen, I don't know if they make the play-in this year, so that's the only one, I think the East is so weak I had to put somebody in there, so I just stuck with them. That's interesting. All right, okay, man. So that's the East. Let's move on to the West west. Who do you have in the uh?

35:34 these are 10. Very, all these teams are good and number. That's a good list right there. But number 10 I'm going with the kings. Um, they got I just, I just don't know. The rest is so good. Um, I had to put one good team at the 10th spot and it just had to be the Kings. Even though they got Fox and Sabonis, I think they had to go 10. Number 9, this is a shocker I got the Phoenix Suns. Oh, phoenix Suns 9? I just don't believe them. The way they got swept is going to hurt them mentally. Booker and Katie in the Olympics I don't know how that's going to translate to next year.

36:16 I just don't believe in them. Anyway, number eight I got the Lakers. Some could argue for them higher, but they are an old team. The older teams recently haven't been taken in regular season seriously and they've had to kind of scrap into the playing and maybe make a deep run from there. But I just don't really like them too. Like the Bronny I don't know if he's going to work, I don't know if Redick's going to coach, I just don't really know with them. Okay, yeah, number number seven I got the pelicans. Um, they have a really good team, uh with dion, brandon ingram, uh, murray and cj mccollum, but their health issues have been hurting them and hurting them in the playoff race.

37:07 They usually started well and then the injuries moved them down. So I have them at seven and number six. I got the memphis grizzlies making a comeback. Um, they've had two, two really good regular seasons the last two years and they had jaw and I don't, I. I don't see why that's going to stop me. They have zach edie, who can defend some of the other big guys in the West and can just provide some size, and Ja is going to be ready for another great season. Five and a six. I think they have a bounce back year for sure. So yeah, looking forward to that, Okay. Number five I got the Warriors. Yeah, I like the moves they're making, I like their roster.

37:51 And another thing I have to say about the Warriors and Klay the last time they were without Klay for a big chunk of the season was 2022, when they won the championship For like half the season they had the best record in the NBA and they were just on a roll. So I think that maybe it can just help help them, to just give them a fresh start. Okay, have them at five. Number four I got the mavs. You know, for all the reasons. Uh, you and pawpaw said um yeah, I just, I just like them, but I just don't think they're doing the top three teams. Okay, number three I got the nuggets.

38:32 They're arguably the best team in the west, but, yeah, they. There's an older team, I don't know, and I I don't know how, how seriously it'll take the regular season. So, number two I got the thunder. They're they're they have a little more experience this year, and with caruso and hartenstein I think they're they have a little more experience this year, and with caruso and hartenstein I think they're going to be better. Okay, man, number one, my championship pick for this year, the t wolves. But they're a young team and with the, with the draft they had, they're keeping the roster the same. I think they're going to keep it rolling okay, yeah, and and but, and they're gonna roll through the regular season, not try to load, just really make a statement and push through.

39:13 Yeah, okay, yeah, good list, not a whole lot. I disagree with, I think, the Golden State one. I think they are more of a playing team. I don't think they finished fifth. I think that's a little high. But I know Brandon was saying fifth, sixth, silas, silas I don't know if you're still on, I'd love to know where you've got the Warriors. But again, that was kind of my that, that was still my point. So I think we're saying the same thing. We just have different expectations of. I feel that fifth or sixth is not where the Warriors want to be.

39:53 I feel that with Steph, you know these last few years, they're going for a championship. So I think we're saying the same thing but we have different expectations, is what I feel with the Warriors there. So Brandon's got T-Wolves, okc. Yeah, you guys have very similar yeah, man, yeah, that's almost that's very similar, almost identical yeah of you and Brandon there. So Golden State Warrior fans thinking alike. Yeah Well, we have reason too. We have reason, we know the roster. That is true, that is good, ok, all right, all right.

40:37 Well, no Good Good list. What we'll have to do is a comparison and we're going to bring Rob on here's backstage, but we're going to do a comparison and to what you pick this early to where they ended up. Picked this early to where they ended up, and in years past you've been very close. I remember one year, um, you know, we went, toronto, had many years in a row of finishing fourth, fifth. We both had them lower and a lot of people got mad at us, but we were spot on with that. I actually think that was one uh comment. Um, I think toronto, I would replace chicago with toronto. Um, I mean, good, my goodness, with all the money that toronto spent, I would hope that they at least make the play in uh that'd be pretty sad.

41:22 Yeah, well, scotty barnes, and quickly, and rj barrett can lead the way that's right, they definitely can. All right, cool man. Well, hey, let's get into our final segment and topic. Here we've got mr rob martin joining us on pick'em pros for the first time. Our guy what's up, rob what's up fellas how you doing. Thanks for having me man, it is great to have you on um and we're gonna touch on something that we have not um really been a part of for a long time and you're bringing this back into our view, so had to have you on as a guest and talk about trading cards and all that.

42:04 We really want you to kind of school us and let us know what's good, what's bad and all of that. But before we do that, I've got to just give a little bit of background of who you are to our audience. So, guys, rob is one of the best people you will ever meet, just walking the face of this earth. He has just been so kind to our tweens in tech camp. He always comes and presents to our kids, always donates food to us, always just is there for anything we need. I can go on and on and on with everything that he's done for us.

42:45 So just appreciate you personally, rob, and it's a joy to have you on the show. Well, thank you. Well, I was excited about this opportunity as Derek and I were talking on the phone, and I don't know if you knew this about me, but I've been collecting sports cards for over 25 years. So I'm a big basketball fan, so I've been a Jordan fan for years, since he was a rookie, and for many years I've been collecting his cards. Something that's kind of fascinating to me that folks don't realize is that sports cards have always been something that had been a legacy, something that you can leave to your family and what I call your sports figure. You just want to have that card.

43:33 You want to have something you can remember. Maybe it's a shot they made, maybe it was a moment in time that you remember. It's pretty interesting. But, diego, when I was talking to your dad, I was thinking how neat it was. As you're doing, your broadcast is to talk about some of the opportunities you have with sports cards. So, in essence, I've been collecting for a while. I have over 20,000 cards and I've been putting them into collections. Now I'm a little bit different. So when I start talking about trading cards, I'm very particular about my cards. So there's some things like I brought a few cards to display. But I'll mention some things like when I'm working with my cards, I make sure that they're put in plastic. So one of the fun things I enjoy doing is I call it cracking packs.

44:15 So every other week I will order a mystery pack. You can get those mystery packs from a local dealer. You can get those through Amazon. I've got some pretty good picks and some companies that I've ordered from that have those mystery packs, and those mystery packs have anything from loose cards to actual graded cards. So for me, I've gotten some Jordans, I've gotten some Pippins, I've gotten some pretty solid cards. Some of them are new. So remember, the card doesn't necessarily have to be very old in order to be valuable. I'll pause for a minute if you're a big fan of Golden G-O-L-D-I-N. Golden is an auction house. You can look them up in Google. And Golden is an auction house. You can look them up in Google. And Mr Golden, ken Golden. He's been in business since 2012.

44:56 So he auctions sports memorabilia. So one of the cards that was auctioned in the last couple of years was a Wimbyama. It was a one of one and it was a signed Wimbyama. So that card was opened. It was cracked in Germany and the person who had that found it, brought it here and auctioned it off and it went from. It went for an amazing sum fifty six thousand one hundred eleven dollars for that particular card. I know, do you see Diego's eyes? He's like well, wait a minute, I think we need to do a new segment on our sports. Yes, we do so. Anyway, I'm a pause for a minute. Diego, you ever considered cracking packs, man? oh, I was, I used to.

45:37 I can hear myself, but uh, yeah, I used to collect more when I was, like in elementary school and stuff, and now it's cool getting back into it. So, yeah, I like it. Yeah, I definitely consider that, so yeah so let me start with a couple of them. So I so I was actually cracking some packs and I'll see how this will come through. Let me put this in here this is a Wimbyama Okay, it's one of the ones where you can see one of the sneakers, oh, yeah. And this is a PSA graded card. Now, what's nice about this one is this was graded an eight, an eight's pretty good. You want to kind of get in the nine and the ten range and those really hold a lot of value. So every other time I've been ordering cards and as I've been ordering those, I've been finding more.

46:18 So, as an example, I pulled another wimby ama. If you see this one here, this is a psa grade nine. And remember, these are rookie cards for wimby ama. You know he's been tearing up the courts, he's been doing an amazing job. But one of the neatest things is two weeks ago when I cracked one of the mystery packs. If you see this one here, this is a PSA 10 rookie greetings card Wimbyama Wow. So these are really neat and as you have those, you can find your you know, your favorite player. You can take these. Now, just another really neat thing. I'm going to talk about a little hygiene. When it comes to cracking packs, first thing you do is make sure you wash your hands, and what I do is I wash my hands and then I glove up.

47:04 You don't want to have any oils on your fingers. When you're putting your cards in. You want to be really careful with those, because when they do grade those, you, when you're putting your cards in, you want to be really careful with those, because when they do grade those, you want to make sure they don't have any issues with the edges and they're in really good shape. You can actually buy these are some of the ones that I get that are empty. You can drop those in for the cards that you look up that have a little bit more value. And then, if you have something that you know, I'll use an example. This is kind of an open pack, if you can see. You can slide that card in there. A lot of these are signed. They have pieces of Jersey in them. So these are things that you can't see and for me, I consider them art. Yeah, so when I look at these packs but as I'm getting, I guess, more into the newer cards, it could be any sports, I have hockey, I have baseball.

47:50 It could be any sports. I have hockey, I have baseball, I have basketball and those are kind of my you know my big ones. But any of those, like I have some Nolan Ryan cards, I have some Ken Griffith Jr and these are ones that you can keep around for some time and they're I'll tell you. The other kind of neat thing is there, you can sit down, you can look back through history, like I have a card of the dream team when they played and they tore everybody up in the Olympics, which was wonderful. I have Wayne Gretzky card from the 90s, so some of those are. If you are big into Wayne Gretzky fans. In 1980, there was an Opeche card. It was his rookie card and that one sold for over $3 million. So there's some future investment in these cards that are kind of neat.

48:32 But the fun part is is for you, diego, and you know Derek has grabbed some cards. Man, let's do a segment. We'll crack some packs, we'll get them in there and go full. We don't know what you got and then you take a few minutes, you crack those things open and you'd be surprised what you can get the Wimby armor right now If he continues to do well as a you know a PSA. 10 down the road, maybe 10, 20 years from now, it could be worth quite a bit oh for sure, wow, wow. And so the card that you showed us, the Wendy that had his name, yeah, so the there's like that red border and there's information there. So was that did? Did you receive the card with that, or how did? Yes, ok, yeah, this was already graded, which is pretty neat.

49:15 Did you receive the card with that, or how did yes? Okay, yeah, this was already graded, which is pretty neat. So a lot of these cards, they'll come in and stack them in. Now you'll get loose cards. As an example, I showed you this one. This one was loose. I actually put it inside of a case to make sure that there weren't any oils on it. If you notice, even on the outside or the inside of this case there's another little piece of plastic. I slid it into. That way it doesn't get scratched. And as you find cards that are worth quite a bit of money, then you can take those cards and you can hang on to them, Then you can have them graded and then you can send them off. And there's a lot of companies that do that. I'm a big fan of Golden, Ken Golden. He's a billionaire now and he auctions all kinds of things. So sports cards is one of them.

49:56 He does sports memorabilia. He's got a lot of friends in the industry for me. But if you pull up a card, just like a Nolan Ryan is an example, and I have some of those Bo Jackson cards it's a little piece of history that you can have. And then for you, Diego, you can take and start looking at these Wendy's and start making some history when you pull some of these out too and these are already graded. Or if you find one that isn't graded, if it's worth or you see that it's going to be worth something down the road, you can have it graded by PSA, send it off and have it graded, and they'll take care of that for you. Oh, nice yeah. Yeah, yeah, that that's really neat we have. We used to record back in the day and now you know we're starting to get back into it with you, you know, encouraging us.

50:43 So we'd love to buy a pack, you know, back to a month and start to open those up on the show. We'd love to love to start to do that. Yeah, absolutely. It's something I do every other week. So if you ever want to join forces, let me know. I'm going to. I order one every other week. It's a mystery pack. I don't open it until I sit down. I take an opportunity, I get gloved up, pull some, take a look at what they, what you have, and then take those cards and then you can enjoy them. Diego, earlier Did you mention him? I don't think so. I don't think I mentioned him. Oh, I did. It's Coach Lakers. Yeah, I did. I've got his card oh nice when he entered into the NBA.

51:25 So it's interesting because I always remember him playing before right College level but I've got his actually NBA card when he was actually a player there. So some of those you want to hang on to and sports memorabilia is something that has gained, continued to gain in value and it's something that holds its value for a period of time. And I think the most important thing of many collectors is they have things that they can share with their children and then go back and say, hey, take a look at this shot. This is when Wimby Alma came on deck. You know the alien came on deck and you know he's. He's dropping these shots and shots and this is when he was a rookie and it's neat to see that history and be able to be part of that and share that with others too. It's also educational. If you've got a new, you know whoever's next coming behind Mumbiama and others. Those cards will come out and they get a shot and they become not only valuable I think in the essence of it's valuable, which you can sell it for, but many collectors they don't sell, they keep them for quite some time.

52:24 The most expensive card that I've seen that was auctioned off was around $5 million. It was a baseball card originally and there's some information on this that you can get, but it was originally done. Tobacco was the person who used to put those on there and the person's like I don't want to be part of that. There was an elite number and it was a T206 and they have these different grades for the higher the grade, the more valuable that card is and they become quite scarce and there's there's some real exclusivity when it comes to that. But I mean, I'm kind of OG, I like your Pippins, I like your Jordans. You know, for me, shaq, I got a bunch of Shaq cards, some real blinged out gold Shaq cards that I've had for a period of time, no-transcript.

53:23 So I think he'll do amazingly and excited to watch you and be part of that, sir, yeah. Thank you. Thank you so, diego, do you have any questions for Rob? Oh yeah, do you know? You said you like more of the like OG cards. But do you like go, go for the rookie so that they can have more value as time grows when you get new cards? Absolutely. Anybody that's up and coming. You know they're. At one time, who was Wimby Alma? Right, who's this guy? And then, as I started cracking packs, and I started looking at them and then saying, all right, well, let's see what this player is going to do, and you never know what's going to happen.

54:04 So, for me, when I open a pack, it's potential. There's so much potential in there. You pull a relic and that person all of a sudden just takes off as an all-star and they do really well, star, and they do really well. I think it's a great, great way. And then you know, let's think about this too. You know, as, as your show continues to grow, you might pull somebody on it or sign one of those cards. Now, remember, you want to immortalize that and say, hey, let's say, you know you, you're balling and you get Moonbyama and he signs a card for you. Take that card and slide it in there, and you keep that for a period of time. That value of that card is going to soar. So you get an opportunity to meet some of the people when they autograph these. What I think is wonderful, though, is there's a lot of one of ones, so there was a Formula One card.

54:51 That was a rookie and it was pulled by a young man who was 15 years old in Canada. You can come behind me, it's in the golden series you can watch on Netflix, which is really interesting. But he pulled this Formula One card. It was a one of one and he had a private collector offer him and actually paid him over seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for this card. Oh wow, he paid 50 bucks for the pack, nice. Talk about a return. Yeah, and it was. Yeah, to return Now, rob. What did you purchase to get that pack? Or what type of pack was that, where there were some individuals and then there were some already graded cards? How do you buy a pack where there are cards that are already graded?

55:32 Yeah, I'll get you some links out. Maybe we'll do another segment. I'll kind of dissect that because I think it's kind of neat for all of us. So, um, amazon has a couple of places and you have certain dealers that will send you a pack. The ones that I'll order, like every other, are graded. So they'll send me some graded cards, some of them pretty good, like I have a. If you look at this, wimby, this is an eight. Let me get a light a little bit better on that one. Maybe, yeah, this, maybe, yeah, this is an eight, wimbyama, and I've got two of these. I've got an eight and I've got a nine. So this one was already graded and it came in that graded pack. Then I ordered another one that contains you probably get about 50 cards in that. You'll get one graded or two graded cards and then some loose cards, and you go through them and they're they're sorted.

56:14 You do want to be careful, though. Sometimes when you go into places, they'll build you a mystery pack and it's a mystery pack not worth anything. So some of these you want to be really careful who you order from and make sure you get some return on investment. So I pulled Shaq cards, I pulled Pippin cards um that JJ Reddit card that was uh, that was one of out of a mystery pack which was pretty neat, neat. So what it can do you never know. Yeah, okay, yeah, we'll definitely definitely love to do another show. Uh, educate not only ourselves. You know audience on that. I assume the ratings is 10, the highest rating. That is the highest rating. Yeah, and those are the ones which really begs. If you do get a loose card, like for me, if you come in and look at my collection, they're all in these.

56:58 They're all either in sleeves or they're in a plastic protector and I don't take them out and move them around a lot. I take the card and you know I go and just put it in a very special place. You also want to make sure there's humidity control. So you know, things you don't want to store in your garage, you don't want to put these somewhere and you want to take good care of them. They're quite an investment and you see, people have been collecting for years and if you think about Ken Golden as an example, he's a billionaire, he opened up his business in 2012, and he's one of the premier places where you can sell cards. One of his recent cards was a one-of-one. It was pulled out of a really high-end mystery pack. Those are about $50, dollars to buy in on those mystery packs and they pulled one particular one of one card and it went for over three million dollars good, oh man, yeah, talk about, oh man.

57:49 So the mystery packs that you typically get, if you don't, don't mind us asking um, that have like the one graded and the loose cards and all that? Um, final question for me would be roughly how many cards are in that pack and what's the ballpark price that you would pay for a mystery pack like that? so you get about 50 cards and you get a couple of graded cards. Sometimes it varies, um, they run anywhere. The one mystery pack was $169 for that mystery pack and then you do get some return on investment. When I pulled that PSA 10 Wimby Amma that made it for me. That one card for me made that pack.

58:31 And I went back and I was like, okay, that's kind of cool. And you see a lot of collectors like I have two Wimby's, one is an eight and one is a nine. Some people will sell their eights and keep their nines as that grade goes up and you can trade those. You can get mystery packs for $60. You just have to look at them and try them out. That's what it is, kind of a mystery pack. You pull them, you order a couple of them. If you get a good pull out of each one of those, it's a pretty reputable company. You'll probably order those again and then sometimes they'll put some things in there that they're nice to have but they're just kind of package stuffers. But still worth the time and any investment. When you get some of these rooks and some of them that are there have been you got to think they didn't just pack these this year.

59:14 They've been sitting around for a while and then they're now cycling them through and they're not. They're not popping those packs. But first of all, I think it's fun. For me it's almost like a discovery. It's like, you know, having a wonderful holiday when you're you're going through every other week you've done well at work. For me, it's relaxing when I pull those cards, start setting them down and go hey, you know, check this out. And it's a way to to be social too. Now, you know, being in it for a long time. Most of us are introverts, but for me it's nice to sit around and go hey, what'd you pull? Oh, man, I got, you know, I got one beyond my. Hey, man, I got a Jordan. I've even sung the high end mystery packs. They've pulled anything like a Michael Jordan Rook worth $350,000 for a $50,000. There's some pretty neat things you can do, yeah okay, that's phenomenal.

59:58 Yeah, we'll definitely, definitely have to revisit this topic and, yeah, I'd like to make this a recurring theme where let's do it. Let's crack some packs all right, let's do it. Let's see where we're learning the lingo man, that's a rob thing, I don't know anybody else cracking pack? Okay, put that on your show. We're cracking packs and and we'll uh, we'll see what we get. And maybe, diego, no pressure, but I want to see a michael jordan rookie card. Okay, I'm just sorry, I'll try. I'll try I'd love to get one now enjoyed it. Thanks for having me hey, thank you. Thank you, we'll see you soon, my man take care. All right, bye. Awesome man rob, he is the guy, uh, so we so appreciate having him on. So we, we made, we made a trip we're going to uh drop here in a second but made a trip to our local uh car store in preparation for this segment.

1:00:46 So we got a few things. So don't really have no idea what the grades are in any of that. So we'll get with Rob and and, uh, you know, officially have our you know cards graded, man. But just to show some of what I pulled, actually I'm going to send this one to our guy Josh. I know he always watches us live. I know we had a cookout today, could make it. But, josh, man, you're from Cleveland and I know you were sweating because you didn't know if Mitchell was going to resign. So, my man, I'm going to mail this one to you. So this one's for you. We got that one. And then, hey, check this out, I pulled the Klay Thompson.

1:01:28 So a Klay Thompson Warrior. So it was the last season with the Warriors, so I got this. I'm going to hold on to this one here and let's see the other one. I think it's in yours. I put Steph. We pulled Steph, Steph is in yours and oh this one's interesting. This is an Aaron Rodgers. Let me try to make this bigger. Hold on one second, aaron Rodgers. Let me try to make this bigger. Hold on one second. Aaron Rodgers, from this past season, and I'm not sure if this is anything special or not, but we'll have to find out about that.

1:02:09 Yeah, yeah. Pretty rare, because he only played three snaps. Yeah, yeah, it was the three snap season. So I'd imagine imagine you know you either want you. If you pull someone for a particular year, you either want it to be an amazing season or you want it to be something controversial, like that where he played three snaps. Yeah, that's rare, we'll see. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty rare. But uh, man, what did uh? What did you pull? but you already showed you the staff. My lights in's in the way. But yeah, steph, I got my guy Bryce, my guy Bryce Young. I'm definitely holding out to that because I'm a Panther fan. Joker, joker, sga. This is like a fairly special card Ant.

1:02:53 I got Ant-Man who did you pull? Porzingis. Jalenalen brown, a bunch of guys. So pretty good, nice, nice, all right, sounds good, man, well, yeah, yeah, some good, good things that you pulled there. The jalen brown, the bryce uh, now bryce is gonna have to turn it around and do something, so we'll see oh, he will we know that's your guy. So yeah, we know you're always repping carolina panthers, yeah it'll be good, cool, cool. All right, man. Well, hey, we've got uh a lot to uh get into for the rest of this weekend, so we're gonna let you go, let everybody else go, but thanks for checking us out. As always, we appreciate the love and support.

1:03:35 A lot of big things coming up next week. We will be back 7 pm Eastern on Saturday, where we are moving into football, moving away from basketball for a while, and we're going to give you our top fantasy football receivers. We're kicking off our league and it's going to be great, so we're going to start with wide receivers. Are you ready for that? Oh yeah, I'm ready for that, yeah. It's my time. It's going to be fun. We'll have a cheat sheets that you could download for your drafts. Uh, we're going to give you top 30 rankings that you can use. Uh, and ours are slightly different from what you get from ESPN and all the other other places. Ours are unique. They're our own custom uh cheat codes, so we're going to be generating all that.

1:04:16 So I'm really excited for you guys to to uh get and check that out. All right, so thanks for the love and support. Thank you, uh, have you enjoyed the show, mom dukes? And uh, hey, man. And thanks for uh, mr lou thompson, the professor from joining us from dallas. Uh, good luck to the mavs. And uh, hey, who knows jerry? Uh, jerry thompson may come back and make an appearance at some point, depending on how the Mavs do it. He may make an appearance for football. Oh yeah, for sure. I'm sure he will. I'm sure he'll make an appearance at some point. All right, man, Were you ready to get on out of here? Yeah, ready to get out of here, man.

1:04:57 All right, you ready to eat some prime barbecue? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm definitely ready for that Prime barbecue. Man is not much better man Prime barbecue at Nightdale. So we got to, we got to make a stop there at least once every month or so, and we've made that stop. So that's on deck. So we're going to tear some of that up. Y'all, enjoy the rest of your July 4th weekend. We'll see you later. Thanks again, rob, for joining us, and we'll be back next week with Pick'em Pros. We're out, we're out, thank you. Outro Music.